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		<title>By: We get letters (It&#8217;s a long one) &#124; craigscrimelist</title>
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		<dc:creator>We get letters (It&#8217;s a long one) &#124; craigscrimelist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jul 2010 08:47:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] next I received as a comment on my post about Jon who was harrassed by the &#8216;hobbyists&#8217; of the erotic services section for flagging ads&#8230;  So you’ve got nothing better to do than [...]</description>
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		<title>By: We get letters &#124; craigscrimelist</title>
		<link>http://craigscrimelist.org/2008/07/24/erotic-services-backlash/comment-page-2/#comment-1224</link>
		<dc:creator>We get letters &#124; craigscrimelist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jul 2010 09:39:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] received the following comment from someone calling themself Kali on my post about the Erotic Services Backlash&#8230;  To the vigilante posse who have taken it upon themselves to dictate how others should live [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] received the following comment from someone calling themself Kali on my post about the Erotic Services Backlash&#8230;  To the vigilante posse who have taken it upon themselves to dictate how others should live [...]</p>
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		<title>By: rak</title>
		<link>http://craigscrimelist.org/2008/07/24/erotic-services-backlash/comment-page-1/#comment-717</link>
		<dc:creator>rak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 03:46:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;In order for the ES section to be eliminated, the owners have to agree to it. Since the section brings in alot of traffic and has since 2002, its doubtful the section is going away anytime soon.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Also, prostitution is illegal in most areas but that may change.  SF and NY are considering decriminalizing prostitution.  If they do, it will cause other areas to consider it, as well.  The publicity surrounding escorting over the past couple years has helped it reach this point. Spitzer&#039;s incident gave the industry a lot of publicity. There is a television show about a call girl, too, which is based on a true story.  Even if that happens, though, ads will still be flagged because of misconceptions and prejudice.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Underage girls being sold and such paints the entire industry in a very bad light. However, there are some people who are of legal age and are willing to sell their time and companionship independently. Every escort ad is not about underage girls nor posted by a pimp. There are some escorts who are college educated, have real jobs but enjoy the &quot;hobby&quot; on occasion.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;There is a network of women in the biz who communicate with each other all across the world. The escort industry can be somewhat of a small world and easily organized.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In order for the ES section to be eliminated, the owners have to agree to it. Since the section brings in alot of traffic and has since 2002, its doubtful the section is going away anytime soon.</p>
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<p>Also, prostitution is illegal in most areas but that may change.  SF and NY are considering decriminalizing prostitution.  If they do, it will cause other areas to consider it, as well.  The publicity surrounding escorting over the past couple years has helped it reach this point. Spitzer&#39;s incident gave the industry a lot of publicity. There is a television show about a call girl, too, which is based on a true story.  Even if that happens, though, ads will still be flagged because of misconceptions and prejudice.</p>
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<p>Underage girls being sold and such paints the entire industry in a very bad light. However, there are some people who are of legal age and are willing to sell their time and companionship independently. Every escort ad is not about underage girls nor posted by a pimp. There are some escorts who are college educated, have real jobs but enjoy the &quot;hobby&quot; on occasion.</p>
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<p>There is a network of women in the biz who communicate with each other all across the world. The escort industry can be somewhat of a small world and easily organized.</p>
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		<title>By: rak</title>
		<link>http://craigscrimelist.org/2008/07/24/erotic-services-backlash/comment-page-1/#comment-2177</link>
		<dc:creator>rak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 03:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In order for the ES section to be eliminated, the owners have to agree to it. Since the section brings in alot of traffic and has since 2002, its doubtful the section is going away anytime soon.Also, prostitution is illegal in most areas but that may change.  SF and NY are considering decriminalizing prostitution.  If they do, it will cause other areas to consider it, as well.  The publicity surrounding escorting over the past couple years has helped it reach this point. Spitzer&#039;s incident gave the industry a lot of publicity. There is a television show about a call girl, too, which is based on a true story.  Even if that happens, though, ads will still be flagged because of misconceptions and prejudice.Underage girls being sold and such paints the entire industry in a very bad light. However, there are some people who are of legal age and are willing to sell their time and companionship independently. Every escort ad is not about underage girls nor posted by a pimp. There are some escorts who are college educated, have real jobs but enjoy the &quot;hobby&quot; on occasion.There is a network of women in the biz who communicate with each other all across the world. The escort industry can be somewhat of a small world and easily organized.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In order for the ES section to be eliminated, the owners have to agree to it. Since the section brings in alot of traffic and has since 2002, its doubtful the section is going away anytime soon.Also, prostitution is illegal in most areas but that may change.  SF and NY are considering decriminalizing prostitution.  If they do, it will cause other areas to consider it, as well.  The publicity surrounding escorting over the past couple years has helped it reach this point. Spitzer&#039;s incident gave the industry a lot of publicity. There is a television show about a call girl, too, which is based on a true story.  Even if that happens, though, ads will still be flagged because of misconceptions and prejudice.Underage girls being sold and such paints the entire industry in a very bad light. However, there are some people who are of legal age and are willing to sell their time and companionship independently. Every escort ad is not about underage girls nor posted by a pimp. There are some escorts who are college educated, have real jobs but enjoy the &quot;hobby&quot; on occasion.There is a network of women in the biz who communicate with each other all across the world. The escort industry can be somewhat of a small world and easily organized.</p>
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		<title>By: L</title>
		<link>http://craigscrimelist.org/2008/07/24/erotic-services-backlash/comment-page-1/#comment-718</link>
		<dc:creator>L</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 05:29:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Kali,&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;      I see that your communication skills are diminishing as time goes by so I will spare you the time spent reading this. You are posting like an idiot and I want you to go back to the somewhat logical posts that at least required brain power to refute.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Jenny DeMilo,&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;         You have said some very valid points. Perhaps the scope of the flagging was in err. However, to imply he shouldn&#039;t follow what he believes to a point is wrong. You livelihood and money will be under constant attack as long as you are living so I don&#039;t think the fact that he may have canceled some clients holds weight. In college I couldn&#039;t just attack classmates who cheated or took the A+ and left me the A-. As long as you are living there wil be peopel who seek your downfall or ruin. Sex based jobs may juet be easy targets for it. In essence I did enjoy ur post and hope u have fun watching the election debates.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kali,</p>
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<p>      I see that your communication skills are diminishing as time goes by so I will spare you the time spent reading this. You are posting like an idiot and I want you to go back to the somewhat logical posts that at least required brain power to refute.</p>
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<p>Jenny DeMilo,</p>
<p>         You have said some very valid points. Perhaps the scope of the flagging was in err. However, to imply he shouldn&#39;t follow what he believes to a point is wrong. You livelihood and money will be under constant attack as long as you are living so I don&#39;t think the fact that he may have canceled some clients holds weight. In college I couldn&#39;t just attack classmates who cheated or took the A+ and left me the A-. As long as you are living there wil be peopel who seek your downfall or ruin. Sex based jobs may juet be easy targets for it. In essence I did enjoy ur post and hope u have fun watching the election debates.</p>
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		<title>By: L</title>
		<link>http://craigscrimelist.org/2008/07/24/erotic-services-backlash/comment-page-1/#comment-2178</link>
		<dc:creator>L</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 05:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kali,      I see that your communication skills are diminishing as time goes by so I will spare you the time spent reading this. You are posting like an idiot and I want you to go back to the somewhat logical posts that at least required brain power to refute.Jenny DeMilo,         You have said some very valid points. Perhaps the scope of the flagging was in err. However, to imply he shouldn&#039;t follow what he believes to a point is wrong. You livelihood and money will be under constant attack as long as you are living so I don&#039;t think the fact that he may have canceled some clients holds weight. In college I couldn&#039;t just attack classmates who cheated or took the A+ and left me the A-. As long as you are living there wil be peopel who seek your downfall or ruin. Sex based jobs may juet be easy targets for it. In essence I did enjoy ur post and hope u have fun watching the election debates.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kali,      I see that your communication skills are diminishing as time goes by so I will spare you the time spent reading this. You are posting like an idiot and I want you to go back to the somewhat logical posts that at least required brain power to refute.Jenny DeMilo,         You have said some very valid points. Perhaps the scope of the flagging was in err. However, to imply he shouldn&#039;t follow what he believes to a point is wrong. You livelihood and money will be under constant attack as long as you are living so I don&#039;t think the fact that he may have canceled some clients holds weight. In college I couldn&#039;t just attack classmates who cheated or took the A+ and left me the A-. As long as you are living there wil be peopel who seek your downfall or ruin. Sex based jobs may juet be easy targets for it. In essence I did enjoy ur post and hope u have fun watching the election debates.</p>
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		<title>By: Trench Reynolds</title>
		<link>http://craigscrimelist.org/2008/07/24/erotic-services-backlash/comment-page-1/#comment-719</link>
		<dc:creator>Trench Reynolds</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 04:51:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;See Kali, that&#039;s how you leave a comment. But you can&#039;t anymore because you&#039;ve been banned.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;I notice how everyone has been avoiding the topic of child prostitution and human trafficking except to blame it on everyone except the criminals who are responsible.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Oh and the erotic services section should be eliminated because last time I checked prostitution is still illegal.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>See Kali, that&#39;s how you leave a comment. But you can&#39;t anymore because you&#39;ve been banned.</p>
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<p>I notice how everyone has been avoiding the topic of child prostitution and human trafficking except to blame it on everyone except the criminals who are responsible.</p>
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<p>Oh and the erotic services section should be eliminated because last time I checked prostitution is still illegal.</p>
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		<title>By: Trench Reynolds</title>
		<link>http://craigscrimelist.org/2008/07/24/erotic-services-backlash/comment-page-1/#comment-2179</link>
		<dc:creator>Trench Reynolds</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 04:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>See Kali, that&#039;s how you leave a comment. But you can&#039;t anymore because you&#039;ve been banned.I notice how everyone has been avoiding the topic of child prostitution and human trafficking except to blame it on everyone except the criminals who are responsible.Oh and the erotic services section should be eliminated because last time I checked prostitution is still illegal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>See Kali, that&#039;s how you leave a comment. But you can&#039;t anymore because you&#039;ve been banned.I notice how everyone has been avoiding the topic of child prostitution and human trafficking except to blame it on everyone except the criminals who are responsible.Oh and the erotic services section should be eliminated because last time I checked prostitution is still illegal.</p>
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		<title>By: jenny demilo</title>
		<link>http://craigscrimelist.org/2008/07/24/erotic-services-backlash/comment-page-1/#comment-720</link>
		<dc:creator>jenny demilo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 03:10:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Ive been following this one for a while, its been quite interesting.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;The gent who put up the &quot;flag CL erotic services web site&quot; made his information public when registering his domain. He used his work address, cell number and legal name in conjunction with his religious war against ALL ads in erotic services on CL.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;No one that i know has an issue with someone using the flagging system on CL how is designed and supposed to be used but that&#039;s not what this gent did. He used his site to organize and flag ALL erotic services ads because he personally had a religious and moral objection to ALL erotic services posting wither they complied with the CL TOS or not. He wanted to eradicate the section, not exert pressure to get people to comply with the TOS. There&#039;s a huge difference there.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;i don&#039;t condone his personal harassment, no one likes to be harassed. I&#039;m sure those ladies who were tyring to put up their ads in erotic services and were targeted didn&#039;t like that harassment either. I can however can see how something like that would/could and apparently did  happen. When you set on a crusade to removes someones lively hood it can come back to bite you on the ass. Make no mistake about this, that exactly what this gent did. He wanted to stop women from making a living.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Sex workers of all kinds are real living breathing humans with families and people who love them,  its easy for the zealots to forget that. Targeting to destroy a way someone puts food on their families table or a roof over their families heads because you personally find it objectionable to your religious feelings and doing so without the forethought to protect your own identity  is on its face naive and probably more in-line with just a really dumb move. People react badly when you try to screw with their money, eliminate their lively hood  and how they survive.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;You&#039;re not solving the problem by abusing the CL flag system, by trying to remove ALL postings in the ES section. Flagging ads that were within the TOS will cause people to react, as i&#039;m sure &quot;Jon&quot; has learned.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;I am not a CL advertiser, i was at one time. If it had been me that was having my ads flagged when they were well within the confines of the CL TOS there is no doubt i would have taken action. This gent was running this site out of his employers business, a car dealership in Oregon. You can bet id have been on the phone with the general manager in a heartbeat to ask him about the companies involvement in this religious crusade against CL, i might have even contacted the local sex positive media. One thing is for sure i would sit back and do nothing if it were my lively hood under attack by a religious zealot.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;This gent and his pals are not the only ones who can organize, and contrary to what many people think there is a vast network of women who are sex workers who do communicate with each other.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Jenny DeMilo&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a rel=&quot;nofollow&quot; href=&quot;http://jennydemilo.blogspot.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://jennydemilo.blogspot.com&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ive been following this one for a while, its been quite interesting.</p>
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<p>The gent who put up the &quot;flag CL erotic services web site&quot; made his information public when registering his domain. He used his work address, cell number and legal name in conjunction with his religious war against ALL ads in erotic services on CL.</p>
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<p>No one that i know has an issue with someone using the flagging system on CL how is designed and supposed to be used but that&#39;s not what this gent did. He used his site to organize and flag ALL erotic services ads because he personally had a religious and moral objection to ALL erotic services posting wither they complied with the CL TOS or not. He wanted to eradicate the section, not exert pressure to get people to comply with the TOS. There&#39;s a huge difference there.</p>
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<p>i don&#39;t condone his personal harassment, no one likes to be harassed. I&#39;m sure those ladies who were tyring to put up their ads in erotic services and were targeted didn&#39;t like that harassment either. I can however can see how something like that would/could and apparently did  happen. When you set on a crusade to removes someones lively hood it can come back to bite you on the ass. Make no mistake about this, that exactly what this gent did. He wanted to stop women from making a living.</p>
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<p>Sex workers of all kinds are real living breathing humans with families and people who love them,  its easy for the zealots to forget that. Targeting to destroy a way someone puts food on their families table or a roof over their families heads because you personally find it objectionable to your religious feelings and doing so without the forethought to protect your own identity  is on its face naive and probably more in-line with just a really dumb move. People react badly when you try to screw with their money, eliminate their lively hood  and how they survive.</p>
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<p>You&#39;re not solving the problem by abusing the CL flag system, by trying to remove ALL postings in the ES section. Flagging ads that were within the TOS will cause people to react, as i&#39;m sure &quot;Jon&quot; has learned.</p>
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<p>I am not a CL advertiser, i was at one time. If it had been me that was having my ads flagged when they were well within the confines of the CL TOS there is no doubt i would have taken action. This gent was running this site out of his employers business, a car dealership in Oregon. You can bet id have been on the phone with the general manager in a heartbeat to ask him about the companies involvement in this religious crusade against CL, i might have even contacted the local sex positive media. One thing is for sure i would sit back and do nothing if it were my lively hood under attack by a religious zealot.</p>
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<p>This gent and his pals are not the only ones who can organize, and contrary to what many people think there is a vast network of women who are sex workers who do communicate with each other.</p>
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<p>Jenny DeMilo</p>
<p><a rel="nofollow" href="http://jennydemilo.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">http://jennydemilo.blogspot.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: jenny demilo</title>
		<link>http://craigscrimelist.org/2008/07/24/erotic-services-backlash/comment-page-1/#comment-2180</link>
		<dc:creator>jenny demilo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 03:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ive been following this one for a while, its been quite interesting.The gent who put up the &quot;flag CL erotic services web site&quot; made his information public when registering his domain. He used his work address, cell number and legal name in conjunction with his religious war against ALL ads in erotic services on CL.No one that i know has an issue with someone using the flagging system on CL how is designed and supposed to be used but that&#039;s not what this gent did. He used his site to organize and flag ALL erotic services ads because he personally had a religious and moral objection to ALL erotic services posting wither they complied with the CL TOS or not. He wanted to eradicate the section, not exert pressure to get people to comply with the TOS. There&#039;s a huge difference there.i don&#039;t condone his personal harassment, no one likes to be harassed. I&#039;m sure those ladies who were tyring to put up their ads in erotic services and were targeted didn&#039;t like that harassment either. I can however can see how something like that would/could and apparently did  happen. When you set on a crusade to removes someones lively hood it can come back to bite you on the ass. Make no mistake about this, that exactly what this gent did. He wanted to stop women from making a living.Sex workers of all kinds are real living breathing humans with families and people who love them,  its easy for the zealots to forget that. Targeting to destroy a way someone puts food on their families table or a roof over their families heads because you personally find it objectionable to your religious feelings and doing so without the forethought to protect your own identity  is on its face naive and probably more in-line with just a really dumb move. People react badly when you try to screw with their money, eliminate their lively hood  and how they survive.You&#039;re not solving the problem by abusing the CL flag system, by trying to remove ALL postings in the ES section. Flagging ads that were within the TOS will cause people to react, as i&#039;m sure &quot;Jon&quot; has learned.I am not a CL advertiser, i was at one time. If it had been me that was having my ads flagged when they were well within the confines of the CL TOS there is no doubt i would have taken action. This gent was running this site out of his employers business, a car dealership in Oregon. You can bet id have been on the phone with the general manager in a heartbeat to ask him about the companies involvement in this religious crusade against CL, i might have even contacted the local sex positive media. One thing is for sure i would sit back and do nothing if it were my lively hood under attack by a religious zealot.This gent and his pals are not the only ones who can organize, and contrary to what many people think there is a vast network of women who are sex workers who do communicate with each other.Jenny DeMilo&lt;a href=&quot;http://jennydemilo.blogspot.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://jennydemilo.blogspot.com&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ive been following this one for a while, its been quite interesting.The gent who put up the &quot;flag CL erotic services web site&quot; made his information public when registering his domain. He used his work address, cell number and legal name in conjunction with his religious war against ALL ads in erotic services on CL.No one that i know has an issue with someone using the flagging system on CL how is designed and supposed to be used but that&#039;s not what this gent did. He used his site to organize and flag ALL erotic services ads because he personally had a religious and moral objection to ALL erotic services posting wither they complied with the CL TOS or not. He wanted to eradicate the section, not exert pressure to get people to comply with the TOS. There&#039;s a huge difference there.i don&#039;t condone his personal harassment, no one likes to be harassed. I&#039;m sure those ladies who were tyring to put up their ads in erotic services and were targeted didn&#039;t like that harassment either. I can however can see how something like that would/could and apparently did  happen. When you set on a crusade to removes someones lively hood it can come back to bite you on the ass. Make no mistake about this, that exactly what this gent did. He wanted to stop women from making a living.Sex workers of all kinds are real living breathing humans with families and people who love them,  its easy for the zealots to forget that. Targeting to destroy a way someone puts food on their families table or a roof over their families heads because you personally find it objectionable to your religious feelings and doing so without the forethought to protect your own identity  is on its face naive and probably more in-line with just a really dumb move. People react badly when you try to screw with their money, eliminate their lively hood  and how they survive.You&#039;re not solving the problem by abusing the CL flag system, by trying to remove ALL postings in the ES section. Flagging ads that were within the TOS will cause people to react, as i&#039;m sure &quot;Jon&quot; has learned.I am not a CL advertiser, i was at one time. If it had been me that was having my ads flagged when they were well within the confines of the CL TOS there is no doubt i would have taken action. This gent was running this site out of his employers business, a car dealership in Oregon. You can bet id have been on the phone with the general manager in a heartbeat to ask him about the companies involvement in this religious crusade against CL, i might have even contacted the local sex positive media. One thing is for sure i would sit back and do nothing if it were my lively hood under attack by a religious zealot.This gent and his pals are not the only ones who can organize, and contrary to what many people think there is a vast network of women who are sex workers who do communicate with each other.Jenny DeMilo<a href="http://jennydemilo.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">http://jennydemilo.blogspot.com</a></p>
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